Friday, May 19, 2006

To Keep and Bear Arms?

The aim of this thread is to gather a consensus. The following idea orginated off this post on Keep and Bear Arms, on which was left the following comment:
The foundation for this proposal is found in the preamble to the United States Constitution:
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
And the Second Amendment:
Amendment II
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
What is the opinion of the People? We, after all as shown in the Federalist Papers, ARE the Legitimate and Ultimate Authority, as well as the Natural Guardians of OUR Constitution. Shall We The People demand our Right back to the manner in which it was intended? Or, shall we allow the Infringements to continue?
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, and this without ANY qualification as to their condition or degree..." - St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries
"The militia is the natural defense of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic Usurpation of Power by rulers. The Right of the Citizens to Keep and Bear Arms has JUSTLY been considered, as the PALLADIUM of the LIBERTIES of The Republic; since it offers a strong moral check AGAINST the Usurpation and Arbitrary Power of rulers; and will generally...ENABLE the PEOPLE to RESIST and TRIUMPH OVER THEM."
- Joseph Story, Supreme Court Justice, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, p. 3:746-7, 1833
"It will be a desirable thing to extinguish from the bosom of EVERY MEMBER of the community, ANY apprehensions that there are those among his countrymen who wish to DEPRIVE them of the LIBERTY for which they VALIANTLY FOUGHT and HONORABLY BLED. And if there are Amendments desired of such a nature as will NOT INJURE the Constitution, and they can be ingrafted so as to give SATISFACTION to the DOUBTING part of OUR FELLOW-CITIZENS, the friends of the Federal Government will evince that SPIRIT of deference and concession for which they have hitherto been distinguished....We ought NOT TO DISREGARD their inclination, but, on PRINCIPLES of amity and moderation, CONFORM to their wishes, and EXPRESSLY DECLARE THE GREAT RIGHTS OF MANKIND SECURED UNDER THIS CONSTITUTION." - James Madison, Debates on the Bill of Rights, House of Representatives, Amendments to the Constitution, (8 June , 21 July , 13 , 18-19 Aug. 1789 Annals 1:424-50, 661-65, 707-17, 757-59, 766 [8 June]).
"Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation, commonly called the first law of nature....
"When men enter into society, it is by voluntary consent; and they have a right to demand and insist upon the performance of such conditions and previous limitations as form an equitable original compact....

"The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but only to have the law of nature for his rule....
"In short, it is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or any number of men, at the entering into society, to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights; when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the support, protection, and defence of those very rights; the principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and Property. If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation....

"The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave."
- Samuel Adams, The Rights of the Colonists, (November 20, 1772).
As is plain to see, we do have just cause for grievance as a foundation to make a stand....
Also see The First Law of Nature
(Footnote: MAY 19 1986, THE MACHINE GUN BAN was intitiated....A SAD DAY IN AMERICAN HISTORY!!!).


At 4:28 PM, Blogger dogone said...

I would like to call ALL gun owners of Reno NV to organize and come together to take back our rights. "info" posted on KABA website to find out how many of us are willing to do what it takes to show our 2nd A right to KABA. If we can get enough support for our cause it will be easy. If you are in Reno you can contact me at

At 5:03 PM, Blogger E. David Quammen said...

Hey Bud,

My name is David, though you knew me formerly as 'info'. Live in Phoenix. Hopefully, good Lord willing, we can get this ball rolling and get our Right back fully!

Glad to have you aboard!

At 5:57 PM, Blogger dogone said...

Hey David,

I'm Shane, known as dogone. This is a great idea to get things going. I'm sure it will take some time to get enough people on board to effect change but hey, "when ones idea has come" you never know. If it's time the Lord will call those that have the backbone to see it through. I'm with you brother.

At 7:24 PM, Anonymous outdoorsman said...

I live in occupied territory, but I'm in. I call on all gun owners in the Los Angeles area to take back our rights as stated in the Constitution.
Contact me at


At 10:28 PM, Blogger E. David Quammen said...

Excellent guys. We must garner and gather support. If enough of us can get together, we can do the same thing our Founders did!

We have Right on our side, in every way that really counts. We must not let this perverse sytem pass on to our childrren. Plus, wouldn't it be nice to enjoy a little TRUE FREEDOM ourselves, while we can?

At 12:07 PM, Anonymous Eugene D Hayes said...

Count me in too guys, I am with you for the duration of the fight. I am Gene and live in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Also living in occupied territory. You can reach me at

At 6:48 PM, Blogger E. David Quammen said...

Remember elections coming up! Drill ALL politicians before you cast your vote. Announce you want OUR CONSTITUTION back the way it was intended. And for government to resume its CONSTITUTIONALLY intended position. If you vote for judges in your area, drill them especially hard.

At 7:20 PM, Blogger dogone said...

We do need to hold the politicians feet to the fire. I'm not sure how many of them know their constitutionally intended position though. That's why it's important for us to let them know.

Hey David and all patriots, I have a few friends who have singed on, they just haven't posted here yet! Let the "stand for freedom" roll....

At 4:49 PM, Anonymous Eugene D Hayes said...

South Florida is left wing capital of the state. Just about every elected official here is a card carrying member of the ACLU. Fortunately, from Palm Beach County north and west to Tampa, (Hillsborough County), people are more conservative and support TRUE conservative values.
Even so when I write to the knuckleheaded !#@$'S I push as far as the law allows in torching them with my positions on various issues. And let them know THE PEOPLE are there bosses.

At 8:44 AM, Blogger dogone said...

Hey Friends,

You know what, I'm amazed at some gun owners. What I'm talking about is when they are all complaining about cops take someones RTBA away and saying something needs to be done. Then I offer what we are embarking on and they ignor it! It's frustrating because until something like this begins America will suffer lost liberties on a daily basis. My prayer is that the Lord will bring those with backbone to unite with us!! It's time......

At 3:49 PM, Anonymous Gene Hayes said...

You're right, dogone. You can talk to people about what is happening in the abuse of law enforcement and governmental powers, but when it comes to gaining their support in opposing it an immediate hush comes over them. They are afraid of backing up their own principles knowing that they could loose everything. Just have to give them time until something happens to them personally. That's when the hammer hits the anvil.

At 9:33 PM, Blogger E. David Quammen said...

Here is food for thought:


It is coming down quickly people. We had better prepare....

At 5:23 PM, Blogger MilitiaDude said...

I couldn't agree with you all more. There are many of us that are tired of the trampling of our Rights. Check out and let me know who's on board !!!

You can also contact me at

At 5:25 PM, Blogger MilitiaDude said...

correction to the last post ^

At 6:59 PM, Anonymous eugene d hayes said...

If anyone is trying to contact me I am temporarily at

At 9:27 AM, Anonymous eugene d hayes said...

My wife and I are staying with my sister as our condo building was deemed unsafe by the city of Lauderhill. We had 2 hours to gather enough of our belongings and leave. I asked what if I refused to leave my property. The answer was that I would be arrested and charged, though they didn't elaborate as to the charges. By the way, there were about 10-15 JBT's within short distance of the building. Yeah, really. We were also told that we would not be allowed to reenter the building until it was declared safe. The day we left I came back from work and some one had been inside my condo and had left lights on and closet doors open. Fortunately, they did not find my firearms so they were the first things out the door. The people in my building were told that if they didn't have a place to stay with relatives or friends that they would have to go to a Red Cross shelter. The damage to the building was done by hurricane Wilma last year which left the roof compromised in several places allowing water to come in when it would rain. Due to inclement weather over the past two weeks 4 or 5 units had water intrusion and the owners complained to the city. That is 4 or 5 units out of 80 that were involved. The remaining units in the building sustained no damage at all, but the unit owners were forced to evacuate anyway. There are a number of elderly people in the building who had nowhere to go and the city could have cared less.
Pretty much the same as what happened after Katrina only on a smaller scale. We MUST do all we can to stop the Marxist/Corporate and their leaders soon in their takeover of our country. THIS IS INTOLERABLE! I am ready to fight and drive the enemy from our towns, city and nation!


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